Before Home Video Part 1- The Richard J. Anobile Interview: Photonovels, Fankenstein, Alien, Groucho and me.
We live in a golden era for movie lovers; At any point, one can access a beloved movie by downloading it, streaming it, renting it or buying it. The entire History of cinema is literally at people’s fingertips. With a minimal amount of browsing either on your computer or on a television streaming service, literally thousands of movies can be accessed within minutes. And yet there are still moments when we’re going to complain ‘’there’s nothing good to watch’’.
But there
was a time when, not all that distant from now, if you wanted to experience a
movie you loved, there were no ways to see it at any moment like now. Not on
Youtube. Not as a torrent or on Netflix. Not a rental Blu-Ray or DVD. Not even
on VHS.
Before the
eighties, when home video took hold of pop culture and invaded our homes, there
were very few ways you could see your favourite film. Either you waited for it
to play on TV, truncated, reformatted, censored and interrupted by commercials.
Or you waited for it to pop up at a local second run cinema or a movie
festival.
As a young
movie lover in the seventies and early eighties, I had found a few ways to
experience a film in a different way. I would listen to records that would use
audio clips from the film to tell the story, with only the sleeve as a reminder
of the visuals of the film. I remember owning THE STORY OF STAR WARS and THE
STORY OF THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and lying down in bed with my eyes closed,
replaying the film in my mind’s eye.
I would get
out my cassette recorder and holding a microphone to the television, would record
the sound from the broadcast of films like JAWS or SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE in its
extended TV cut. I would later listen to those tapes in pretty much the same
fashion as I would listen to the STAR WARS LPs. I was surprised recently, while listening to the HOW IS THIS MOVIE Podcast,
to
hear that an accomplished director had done a rather creative version of
this. As a young movie fan, director Phil Joanou loved Spielberg’s JAWS so
much that he went to the theatre near the end of the run, photographed every
shot of the film, and using a cassette recorder, recorded the sound of the
film. He went home, printed out 4X6 of those photos, pinned them in sequence on
his closet doors, and would play the tape while looking at the photos to relive
the film.
Being a
science-fiction fan, I collected movie magazines like STARLOG or FAMOUS
MONSTERS OF FILMLAND just to be able to see pictures of those beloved films,
and discover new ones. In those magazines, I would see ads for 8mm and Super 8
reels that would condense in 12 minutes films like MAN-MADE MONSTER, HOUSE OF
FRANKENSTEIN or I WAS A TEENAGE WEREWOLF. I wanted very badly to be able to
have a taste of those movies, but 12 minutes seemed a rather disappointing
compromise, and I didn’t own a movie projector anyways.
One of the full page of ads for 8mm and Super 8 highlight reels of popular films, as seen in this case in an issue of FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND. |
In the
mid-fifties, a particular trend was appearing in Europe: Inspired by Italian
fumettis (Original comic book-like stories made out of photographs instead of illustrations),
Franco Bozzesi started publishing in France hundreds of magazines that would
condense a film in a series of roughly 300 images, offering the chance to
French speaking fans to rediscover such films as GONE WITH THE WIND, JOHNNY
GUITAR, GORGO, THE H-MAN or MASTER OF THE WORLD. There were many different
series, each focused on a certain genre. STAR-CINÉ BRAVOURE (lasting from 1955 to
1974) specialized in action and then turned its attention to the then wildly popular Spaghetti
westerns. STAR-CINÉ AVENTURES would focus on American and Italian westerns
(Including THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY), and also ended its course
in 1974. STAR-CINÉ ROMAN started in 1958 and focused on more classical films
like LAWRENCE OF ARABIA or REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE. From 1961 to 1965, STAR-CINÉ COSMOS (my
own personal favorite) would publish monthly 86 issues based on Science-fiction, B-Movies
and Japanese Sci-fi, and during the same period, STAR-CINÉ VAILLANCE would
cover war movies and sword and sandals epics. STAR-CINÉ COLT and STAR-CINÉ
WINCHESTER, from 1969 to 1973, rode on the wave of Italian westerns like DJANGO
and its ilk.
An issue of STAR-CINÉ COSMOS, featuring an adventure from Japanese Superhero STARMAN, aka SPACE GIANT. |
Three other issues in the ''STAR-CINÉ'' series, featuring RIO BRAVO (Howard Hawks, 1959) , LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (David Lean, 1962) and GUNFIGHT AT THE O.K. CORRAL (John Sturges, 1957) |
The fad continued in France in 1972 with a short 8 issue run of a similar kind of magazine published by Skandia retelling the story of 8 specific episodes from the Gerry Anderson TV show U.F.O., while another magazine called simply WESTERN would adapt in this photo-novel style 6 different Italian Westerns.
Issue 6 of UFO, based on the 1970 Gerry Anderson classic show. |
The last gasp of the genre came with another Skandia publication, named simply FILM HORREUR, which in 1975-1976 had the time to adapt in a similar pattern 10 horror films, including Terence Fisher’s BLOOD OF DRACULA and Roger Corman’s THE PIT AND THE PENDULUM.
The photo-novel adaptation of Terence Fisher's BLOOD OF DRACULA (1958) |
Most of those
magazines were shoddily printed and cheaply produced, and could be seen as not-so-distant relatives to comic books, even using word balloons and
onomatopoeia. No matter what, they were thrilling
for young French speaking movie fans like me who had few chances to watch at
will a decent monster movie or a cheap Japanese superhero fantasy. Needless to
say, I cherished every issue of STAR-CINÉ COSMOS I could put my hands on.
STAR-CINÉ
COSMOS would merit from MIDI-MINUIT FANTASTIQUE magazine’s Michael Caen, the
following compliment: ‘’Fantasy films, which lives on our screens for only a
season, can now be browsed at any times by readers in a truly unique series’’.
Meanwhile, back in the United States in 1963, artist Russ
Jones dreamt of bringing back EC Comics, but after being brushed off by EC
Comics ex-publisher Bill Gaines, who was still burned from Fredric Wertham’s
witch hunt, he opted to talk to Bill Warren, whose Warren Publishing did
wonders for horror with their popular FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND magazine. He recalls
the meeting: ‘’I tried to sell Warren on my great plan to revive EC Comics, but he
resisted. He told me he had a plan to publish film mags in comic form, using
photos rather than art. We chatted for a time, and as I was leaving to head
cross-town, I knew that something was going to 'click' with Warren. I just felt
it.’’ Russ came back
later with his buddy Wally Wood, to try to impress further on Warren: ‘’Well, I think my first score with Warren
was The Mummy' comic book job. I wanted it to run at least eight pages, but Jim
said it would be six...or nothing. It was six. This was to run in Famous
Monsters, but sat on the shelf for quite a long time. Jim liked it, but comics
still frightened him. For some reason, he believed the dreaded 'Code' would
start to pry into his territory. The next assignment was the redoubtable HORROR
OF PARTY BEACH, photo/comic magazine.’’
Russ Jones and Wally Wood's stunning (albeit short) adaptation of THE MUMMY (karl Freund, 1932) for Warren. |
The 1964 Warren magazine that almost broke Wally Wood. THE HORROR OF PARTY BEACH (Del Tenney, 1964). |
Warren went
back for his ‘’comic book using photos instead of art’’, and sent Wally Wood
and Russ Jones on assignment. Sitting through the movie was a bewildering
experience for Jones and Wood, and after the experience of putting together the
PARTY BEACH magazine, Wally Wood wanted nothing to do with Warren anymore.
Jones, still hoping to resuscitate EC Comics through Warren, kept working for
the publisher, this time doing a photo adaptation of THE MOLE PEOPLE, for which
he was given the mission of pulling frame blow-ups himself from a 35 mm print
he had picked up through heavy security at a Pathé film lab in New York. Back home, he was surprised to find out he had been given by mistake a copy of the negative, which of course is not meant to
be touched. Some calls were made and the mistake was fixed, but not without a certain amount of stress involved.
The second photo-novel adaptation by Warren. THE MOLE PEOPLE (Virgil W. Vogel, 1956) |
Meanwhile,
he created another short adaptation, this one with Joe Orlando, of THE MUMMY’S
CURSE, which was published in MONSTER WORLD #2 (THE MUMMY strip had been
published in issue 1), and also short strips of THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN and
HORROR OF DRACULA, which ended up being published in issues of FAMOUS MONSTERS.
The same two Terence Fisher films were the subject of the last issue of FAMOUS FILMS, where
Warren’s adventure into fumetti ended. Jones had finally convinced Warren that
a horror comic was viable again, and started work on the legendary CREEPY magazine.
This opportunity to have a film accessible at
our fingertips, just by reaching into our bookcase, finally achieved a sense of
legitimacy when the gorgeously produced books edited by Richard J. Anobile appeared
in libraries in the early seventies. Ads for the now celebrated Film Classics
Library would pop up in those last pages of FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND next to
the ones advertising the super 8 one reels of monster movies.
Between 1970 and 1982, the name Anobile became synonymous to stunning movie books that treated cinema with a mixture of reverence and accessibility. Both scholars and regular film fans could fully enjoy them, and it’s a crying shame that such books have completely vanished from the shelves by now. (However, industrious fans can still find some of those prized volumes on sale on the internet.)
I have managed to get in touch with Richard J. Anobile,
who has been keeping busy as a Post-Production supervisor for the last few years,
after decades as a film and TV producer, notably on Guillermo Del Toro’s THE STRAIN.
Born and raised in New York, young Richard Anobile
was fortunate enough to grow up during the dawn of television, which used to
broadcast regularly ‘’tons of old
movies – especially comedies – Laurel and Hardy, Chaplin, Marx Bros. Fields,
Abbott and Costello, etc.’’ that
he would watch with constantly renewed pleasure. He watched local Memory Lane
shows with New York broadcast legend Joe Franklin as moderator (and much later
was thrilled to end up on his show for interviews when his early books were
published.) ‘’I would imagine that all of that exposure to early film led to my
interest in entertainment – never really thought of film as art until I was
older – late teens – then, of course, got into the incredible availability in
NYC of various art houses playing Bergman, Fellini, you name it. ‘’
He studied cinema at the City University of
New York, a public, and more importantly, affordable institution. Being from a
‘’ lower-middle class
first-generation Italian-American’’ family, he just couldn’t afford the celebrated NYU film
course.
-BD: I would imagine that’s how DRAT! (Being the Encapsulated View of Life by W. C. Fields in His Own Words. Published in 1969) came about.
Even if this wasn’t the perfect school, it
did have a few things going for it; for starters, the CCNY Institute of Film
Techniques was considered the oldest film school in the US ‘’It served as a training school for wartime filmmakers during
WWII. By the time I got there in 1964 it
was just hanging on but still offered great courses and a lot of flexibility –
historian Herman Weinberg was one of my first teachers and I was drowned in the
film of Erich von Stroheim and other German filmmakers – as well as early US
filmmakers, etc. ‘’
As a student, he managed to produce a
documentary on Harlem, but he soon found that a lot of his time was going to be
invested in attempting to save the Institute.
‘’The President of CCNY was not very film oriented. He could never see
the connection between the mechanical aspect of film-making and its creative
aspect. He decided to seek out grants
from the Federal government for more teaching courses and wanted the Film
Institute building for those course – so he moved to shut it down. Most of the other students didn’t care one
way or another but I had finally made a decision to study film, rather than law
(my other possible alternative) and I wasn’t about to have him upset that apple
cart. So I ended up spearheading a drive
to save the institute. As this was
during the time of the creation of the American Film Institute, I was able to
draw a parallel between the two and found support from Vincent Canby – then a
writer for Variety, the local congressman – Bill Ryan – and the Mayor – John
Lindsay. It started quite a ruckus in
the media and we had a demonstration on campus where we projected films on the
bedroom windows of the President’s on-campus residence. He was not thrilled, but we did manage to
keep the program going another 2-3 years – but all courses were shifted to
night course and after a while I found myself going to college days and nights
– eventually I decided to focus on completing the film course and got a job at
the NY Times paid obit section’’.
This is where he got to rub shoulders with
acclaimed movie critics like Bosley Crowther, Abe Weiler, Howard Thompson ,
Vincent Canby and Roger Greenspun. A remarkable ensemble. ‘’I also had a part-time job with (film collector and distributor) Raymond Rohauer helping him mount retrospectives at the Gallery of Modern Art, the
(now defunct) museum at Columbus Circle owned by Huntington Hartford which
housed his famous Dali collection. I
worked with Raymond on retrospectives for Laurel and Hardy, The Marx Brothers
(when I met Groucho for the first time although just briefly), Rouben Mamoulian, you name it.
Rohauer had a contract with a book packager to write a book about Buster
Keaton, and well, he reneged on the contract and the publisher approached me to
do a film book…
(Side note: Jack Rennert – who was head of Darien
House, was a liaison in Congressman Bill Ryan’s office in Manhattan – the
congressman in whose district was City University. When I started rabble-rousing to save the
Film Institute, it was Jack who first contacted me – and that is how we
met. I then introduced him to Raymond
Rohauer and Jack did a deal with Raymond for a Keaton book – which never happened,
but led to Drat!– and Jack introduced me to Jane Wagner and The Harry Chester
Group – funny how one thing leads to another – so much for ‘planning’ a career!!)
-BD: I would imagine that’s how DRAT! (Being the Encapsulated View of Life by W. C. Fields in His Own Words. Published in 1969) came about.
-RJA: Yes.
Having realized how difficult it was to truly study film in college
unless one had the dollars to be able to rent 16mm prints – probably from Janus
Films, etc. I suggested recreating
scenes of W. C. Field’s films using frame blow-ups. That was considered too expensive –
especially with an untried author/editor, so it evolved into a juxtaposition of
still and quotes.
As this was my first book and I really didn’t
know yet how to approach things. I was fortunate to be paired with an editor
who was able to help me make sense of the objective and evolve a methodology to
achieve the desired end. Mostly I remember spending many weekends with Jane
Wagner drinking margaritas and watching Fields films and taking notes, then
collecting stills and marrying them with the quotes in a way that seemed
entertaining but at the same time captured the essence of the Field’s
character.
I was also introduced to the graphic design
team with whom I would work for many years on all of the frame blow-up books as well as
the book with Groucho: Harry Chester and Alex Soma. And having worked at the
Times came in handy as a NY Times Arts writer – Richard Shepherd, was a fan of
Fields and agreed to provide the intro.
In the end, Drat! Proved to be a great
success- who knew!!??
-BD: This
success paved the way for the book that would foreshadow the Film Classics
Library in its basic layout and style.
-RJA: Of course the publisher wanted another book –
that was my opportunity to push the frame blow-up concept and it resulted in
Why a Duck?
-BD: As an aside; What
did you think of ''fumettis'' like the French STAR-CINÉ magazine series that adapted
popular movies in a form closer to a comic book?
-RJA: I was
not really exposed to fumettis until after I started my work and I don’t recall
seeing enough to make a comparison. I believe my work was a bit more geared
towards fully realizing the intent of a scene, director’s style, etc., as I was
coming at it first as a tool for study. But it would be presumptuous of me to
try to, from this vantage point, compare my process to fumettis. The European
approach was certainly successful. In
hindsight it probably would have been a good idea to have steeped myself into
that process a bit more – as a learning tool – but I did not.
-BD: It most likely turned out for the best, as you were able to tackle this with a fresh, unencumbered vision. Having done the exercise of comparing your work on John Ford’s STAGECOACH for the FILM CLASSICS LIBRARY, and the French fumetti equivalent, there is a striking evidence of your more cinematic approach. You show your love of the film language, just in the way that you take nearly 6 pages to translate the same amount of action that the magazine does in one page. They even skip a classic stunt that you take the time to focus on in your volume.
Compare this scene from STAGECOACH as published in the French Photo-Novel magazine STAR-CINÉ AVENTURES, with the way it is portrayed in Anobile's FILM CLASSICS LIBRARY edition of the same film. |
4 of the 6 pages that Anobile spends on portraying the same scene in his volume from FILM CLASSICS LIBRARY on the 1939 John Ford Western classic. |
- RJA: The stunt work on STAGECOACH, as you know, was quite incredible. I just couldn’t pass that up, and that is part of what makes cinema so fascinating to watch. And (stuntman) Yakima Canutt’s work in STAGECOACH was, in some ways, precedent setting. Especially as the Indian shot as he wrangled the head team of horses. Running the bits of these types of scenes over and over to try to capture the cinematic quality of the movement between the frames I had chosen as placeholders was tedious and I could never be sure I had it, or that it would actually translate for the reader.
Trying to isolate a particular piece of action so as to convey continuous movement was a challenge. It was always a stretch to push for this sort of non-verbal presentation. Fortunately, between the strong support I had at Darien House from Jack Rennert (its owner having published a number of Illustrated Art and Poster books) and the support at the group of publisher’s involved – especially Avon Books – I was allowed to indulge in this sort of detail.
- BD: An interesting esthetic choice you make in the books is to have frames that signify cross-fades, in an attempt to be as close to the film language as possible.
A striking example of the use of cross-fades in the books, from PSYCHO (Alfred Hitchcock, 1960) demonstrating a love and respect for the cinematographic language. |
-RJA: Well, the FILM CLASSICS LIBRARY was meant to truly represent film in book form and I felt strongly that I had to retain that sense of film-motion, film-transitions in storytelling – despite the static form of the page – if I wanted to keep the pictures ‘’moving’’. Especially as I knew the reader was also needing to focus on the dialogue, something that is automatic when viewing a film – so there always was a real push-pull between moving image and the demands of the page.
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-BD: I can imagine though that convincing a publisher to go ahead with producing a book made almost entirely of photographs, a rather expensive process, was a difficult task.
-RJA: As
with most people trying to push a new idea – one that had not been tried with
film material to the extent I had in mind (Europe did have what we would now
label graphic novels and – to a degree as you have mentioned, there was
Fumetti). I discovered that my idea was easier pitched then done. I
literally had to establish a way forward – an m.o. for how to best accomplish
the goal. For Why a Duck and for the first few frame blow-up books I did, I worked on a Moviola
– not the most comfortable or compatible machine for doing what I needed to do
– but it was all I had available to me at the time – this would have been
around 1969-71.
As Why a Duck would be using films controlled by Universal (even the early Paramount films, except Animal Crackers which was tied up in litigation at the time) I was invited to spend time on the Universal lot in a cutting room with a Moviola and a pile of prints of the films. I would work reel by reel watching and re-watching scenes – making notes for myself and use a grease pencil to mark the frames I wanted to have printed – hundreds of frames from each film. Frankly, I was scared shitless as I wasn’t sure I knew what I was doing and this was an expensive process; it had to be handled by the Universal lab. The head of Universal Post Production – a fellow named Chuck Silver – took an interest in what I was doing and made sure I was comfortable and that everything I was doing would be easily translated into stacks of prints organized by reel and edge code. I spent about 2-3 weeks in LA on the Universal lot, living in a room at the Chateau Marmont and when I was done, Chuck had the prints shipped off to the lab. I flew back to New York – my home town – to await the stills.
Richard J. Anobile in a Fifth Avenue Screening room in New York, during his film reviewer years, circa 1971. |
As Why a Duck would be using films controlled by Universal (even the early Paramount films, except Animal Crackers which was tied up in litigation at the time) I was invited to spend time on the Universal lot in a cutting room with a Moviola and a pile of prints of the films. I would work reel by reel watching and re-watching scenes – making notes for myself and use a grease pencil to mark the frames I wanted to have printed – hundreds of frames from each film. Frankly, I was scared shitless as I wasn’t sure I knew what I was doing and this was an expensive process; it had to be handled by the Universal lab. The head of Universal Post Production – a fellow named Chuck Silver – took an interest in what I was doing and made sure I was comfortable and that everything I was doing would be easily translated into stacks of prints organized by reel and edge code. I spent about 2-3 weeks in LA on the Universal lot, living in a room at the Chateau Marmont and when I was done, Chuck had the prints shipped off to the lab. I flew back to New York – my home town – to await the stills.
Well, after
a couple of weeks or so nothing showed up so I called Chuck and he looked into
the progress at the lab. Well, he sheepishly called back telling me that there
was a big problem – the lab decided to clean the prints to ensure the stills
would be as good as they could be, and well, all my marks were gone – I had to
start all over again. Off I went back to LA and followed the same process
all over again. But, the silver lining was that this time I had a better
understanding of the approach and a better sense of what I was looking for.
That initial ‘’dry run’’, so to speak, was a fabulous learning experience –
though initially it did not seem so. I learned what to look for in the stills
– frames – gestures, looks, composition, eye contact, subtle attitudes that
managed to somewhat reproduce the feeling of the material. So, in essence, I
lucked out as I am not sure my initial work would have yielded the successful
enterprise that was Why a Duck – it established the frame blow-up approach as valid and it created a
career for me – and it led to my next meeting with Groucho which led to The
Marx Brothers Scrapbook. And it
strengthened my hand for finally getting The Film Classics Library off the ground. I continued
with the comedy books - finally getting the rights to do Animal Crackers – and books on Fields, Laurel and Hardy and
Keaton, etc.
-BD: Speaking
of THE MARX BROTHERS SCRAPBOOK, which you authored with Groucho Marx himself, how was the experience of working with the comedy legend?
- RJA: Well, you can imagine
that I was scared shitless when I found myself about to embark on something I
had never done before – interviews for a book (in fact the book was to have
been a more formal biography but as I was doing the initial interview I
realized I would never be able to truly capture Groucho’s ‘‘voice”, so I went
back to the NY publishers through Darien House and essentially told them that I
would deliver a Q&A format – and that the photos collected for the book
would be arranged in the sequence of the various interviews – hopefully broken
somewhat into decades. I had a sense of what I wanted to accomplish- but no
experience or confidence that I would ever get there. It was daunting.
Here again I was
fortunate to have had a test period.
The editors at W.W. Norton were not quite convinced that Groucho had a book in him – age,
faulty memory, frailty, etc. – so they would only pull the trigger for the full
book once they had a sample chapter. I
went out to LA for a month – and this sample chapter ended up being the one focusing on Night of the Opera. It was
set up so that I would work with Groucho a few days a week, in the afternoon
at his home in Beverly Hills on Hillcrest drive. I can recall how daunting it felt to pull up
to his home that first day – ring the bell and find myself greeted by Groucho...
The one, the only, Groucho. At home in Beverly Hills circa 1972. |
I should digress a bit
– after Why a Duck was published, Groucho’s agent had set up a dinner meeting
with him and (Groucho's assistant) Erin Fleming. The book was successful, Groucho
loved it and this was a way of his thanking me. The three of us ate in a restaurant
just at the Beverly Hills line on Sunset Boulevard –and as it turned out, it
was not far from his home on Hillcrest Drive.
We spent about 2 hours or so chatting and dining and somewhere along the
line I realized that the history of modern American comedy was wrapped up in
this man. So I asked him if he would consider a book about the Marx Brothers. He
said something to the effect that if there was a publisher crazy enough to want
it, he would work with me on it. I took
that answer back to NYC and Jack Rennert of Darien ran with the idea and
brought on publishers in the States and England who wanted the book – now I was
really stuck!
Anyway – another
fortunate happenstance for me was that Jane Wagner, the editor who had guided
me through Drat!, was going be my editor for The Scrapbook.
She was a fabulous
woman – bit if a foul mouth, quite a character in her own right (had been a nun
who left the convent!) and had worked with Rennert for a bunch of years – in
fact, they were involved in NYC upper west wide politics together and worked
hard against the Vietnam war – I believe they helped in the winning campaign to
get Congressman Bill Ryan elected, a strong opponent of the war. Anyway she was
a fabulous editor who had worked for various houses and she was incredibly
helpful to me – especially as I did the first taped interviews with
Groucho. She sensed I was frustrated and
kept attempting to pry out answers. She would listen to the tapes and as they
would be transcribed she was starting to get a sense of the story. She called
me one night and reminded me that Groucho was in his eighties; I needed to give
him time to think, to collect his thoughts. I can still hear her telling me, ‘’Richard
– tape is cheap, let it run – don’t feel you have to jump in, you are not doing
a live broadcast – dead space on the tape is okay’’. Jane was about 20 years older than me and her
words at first seemed like a reprimand. But I realized how valuable her insights
were the next time I met with Groucho. I
let the tape run – and little by little the memories flooded back to him and
his words grew more voluminous – more descriptive – more friendly – more
naturally Groucho. And he started enjoying the process and wanted to get a lot
off his chest. In a way, this trial run
at creating a sample chapter had the same impact as the cleaning of the grease
pencil marks from the 35mm prints for Why a Duck?
It allowed me to grow,
understand the approach and it relaxed me – I was finally in conversation
rather than ‘‘doing interviews’’. When
I got back to NYC, all the tapes had been transcribed and I could start putting
the conversation in order and assembling photos – but not confident that I was
a good enough author/editor, I insisted on trying to keep things as they were
recorded – unless I had to go back on another day for clarification about
something we had discussed (which was
something I did regularly as we got into the balance of the book later on, after
I would get supplementary interviews to check Groucho’s memory against. If
something did not jive, I could play him Jack Benny’s comments, or Gummo’s
comments, or whoever, and have him give some thought to what they were saying –
then get clarification – or verification.
I had researchers
working in New York and London and between my research and theirs I had
assembled a series of index cards laying out the team’s progression from
childhood to burlesque to vaudeville to stage, screen and radio and finally,
Groucho to TV. Imagine Groucho has
touched every form of modern American/North American entertainment medium –
well, not the net – except belatedly.
Groucho Marx chatting with Richard J. Anobile circa 1972-1973, for the MARX BROS. SCRAPBOOK. |
-RJA: The falling out was
quite sad. If you have read the book you
may have noticed that Groucho could use some salty language and held some
strong opinions. This was 1972-73 and it
was still, in some ways, the 60’s. I was part of that culture that pushed
against boundaries, and as I read through the transcripts and put things
together it struck me that, even without the kind of journalistic background
that might have been helpful to have for such a project as this, I had managed to capture Groucho’s ''voice'’. Not
just on tape, but on the page. Groucho’s
humor was in some ways radical. He was, in his own way, an anarchist: he revelled in deflating the pompous, the politicians, the wealthy, etc. And he set
the style for an almost dominant American strain of humor that carries on to
this day. Think of Seinfeld, Larry David, and some of the late night performers giving
Donald Trump the metaphorical finger every night. Anyway, I didn’t want to lose this and I left
a lot of the blue language and strong opinions in the book, and the publishers
supported this. Groucho did review the
‘blues’ of the book and even made some changes.
The book went to press
and one of the first copies was sent to Groucho – and his family – they had
never paid attention to what we were doing, never came by his home in the three
months I was there - they freaked and hired lawyers to stop the book from being
published claiming that it was obscene and defamatory, etc. The shit hit the fan and when I tried to
reach Groucho I could not get through to him. Erin Fleming did pick up the phone one day to
remind me that « Groucho has a family. »
Groucho Marx with personal assistant Erin Fleming. Fleming became Groucho's close companion from 1971 to his death at 86 in 1977. Their relationship was controversial and some, including son Arthur Marx, felt she was pushing the aging comedian past his capacities by arranging personal appearances, a sold-out Carnegie Hall performance, and many other activities which had at the time revived his popularity. While she was cleared by a psychiatrist as someone who worshipped Groucho and just wanted to help him out, without any interest in obtaining financial gains from those ventures, litigation over his estate still ended up in favor of Marx' son Arthur. In the meantime, a lovely moment from Dick Cavett's show where they sing together HELLO, I MUST BE GOING. |
The first edition of
the hardcover had already shipped to stores and Penthouse Magazine was about to
ship its December issue featuring an interview with Groucho, an excerpt from
the book. (Penthouse founder) Bob Guccione wasn’t about to let his magazine
languish in a warehouse (this was at the height of the Playboy-Penthouse
competition for readership) so he went to court and had the injunction against
sale overturned on the premise of ‘prior restraint’ not being legal. He won that day. The press latched on to the
story and the book became a bestseller overnight.
The WW. Norton first
edition sold out but they would not go back to press as the Publisher was
pissed that he had published a book he couldn’t give to his children. Darien House had to find another publisher
and the second edition was published in the States by Crown Books – the legal
case continued and I found myself having a group of attorneys and having to
undergo interrogatories, etc. Not
pleasant. And Groucho’s lawyers kept basically lying saying that he had never
said what was printed. But when I showed up in court with the tapes they
changed their tune to: well, he didn’t know it was going to be published. When
the court was given the ‘’blues’’ with his signature on every page, they
changed their tune again. It was never-ending
and very expensive.
However, the lawsuit really served to make the book a
great success here and in Europe (WH Allen published in Europe). Eventually
Grosset and Dunlap published another edition and Warner Books published a paper
back with the banner at the top claiming « this book is worth 15 million
dollars » which is what I was being sued for. As if I had it. (Fortunately, thought it did not seem
so initially, I was not receiving royalties for the book, just a fee – Groucho
received royalties – which worked out, as the publishers footed my legal fees.)
Long story short, it
ended my relationship with Groucho and to this day I still wonder if I did
something wrong. But I really am proud of the book and it does capture the
essence of the team and certainly, Groucho, and I hope it means something to
anyone reading it today. I have renewed the copyright as an author and the
original tapes are housed at The Academy Library in LA.
Groucho died before the
suit was settled and his family dropped it as they couldn’t divvy up his estate
until the lawsuit was over.
-
-BD: Moving
on to WHY A DUCK?, there is a distinct stylistic layout change between it and
the following books. What brought upon that change?
-RJA: You have to understand
that those books cost more than the usual picture-based books as the frames had
to be created at some cost – it was a time-consuming process. And working
with the designer to work out the best layout for flow and continuity was
another time-consuming part of the process as I would constantly be reviewing
the layouts and, of course, upending everything by making changes in position,
sizing, over composition, etc., until I felt that the flow was true to the
scene and would make sense to the reader as the pages were turned. As I
went from book to book – and then to the Film
Classics Library the layout approach kept
evolving – initially just from my sense of things from comments by those involved in the production of the books – then from reader feedback – and
editorial feedback. In a sense each subject had demands of its own that
had to be married to the layout/design process and contained within a certain
number of signatures and pages.
-BD: How did you pick the films
that ended up part of the Film Classics Library?
-RJA: The Film Classics Library had to be
approached both as a tool and a commercial venture so I had to find titles that
were classics but that had broad appeal. Originally I had planned a series of
24 titles (Ended up being 9 in total: FRANKENSTEIN, CASABLANCA, PSYCHO, NINOTCHKA, STAGECOACH, DR JEKYLL & MR HYDE, THE GENERAL, THE MALTESE FALCON) – didn’t quite get there as technology encroached. And some people were
pissed off that I had chosen to do the Fredric March version of Jekyll and
Hyde rather than the Spencer Tracy version. BIRTH OF A NATION was on the
list, SUNSET BOULEVARD, PATHS OF GLORY,
etc. I just never got there.
-
-BD: Which
was the most challenging film to translate to book form? I noticed that THE
GENERAL by Buster Keaton seems to be the longest volume of the collection with
over 2100 images.
-RJA: Getting The General done was a bit of a miracle - it was the
one title I was asked to consider dropping – but I was stubborn and the series
was successful enough that I had some leeway. But it probably was the most difficult
to translate/reproduce. First, because it was silent, and then the nuance of
Keaton’s work, the expressiveness of his performance – all incredibly difficult
to capture. There were times when I felt I would fail at this one and
considered announcing that possibly the editorial team was right: (I should)
skip The General. But, I really loved that film and in my heart I consider
Keaton, rather than Chaplin, the preeminent comic filmmaker. I soldiered
on and was fortunate to have such support from my design team – and especially
from one on the team, a fellow named Alex Soma who was quite a film historian
in his own way and he labored with me on it until we thought it worked.
- -BD: It’s a wonderful book, and I have to agree about Keaton being one step
ahead of Chaplin as a comedy genius. I love Chaplin, but Keaton used film in a
truly cinematic way, while Chaplin tended to be more theatrical. You moved on
after the Film Classics Library to
color adaptation of films. How did this come about?
-RJA: I would have
to say that at some point in the process I was starting to get fatigued – I
felt that I had honed the process to a point where was not able to be much more
creative and that there was little more I could do to better refine the end
product. Interestingly
though, the studios were approaching me to do tie-ins and I started
working with a close friend in LA, Ryan Herz, who was a photographer and who was able to
come up with an economical process for me to start handling color and wide
format (anamorphic) films, the first one being Ridley Scott’s ALIEN. Fox had wanted me to
do STAR WARS, but Lucas wouldn’t
approve the project so they handed me the script for ALIEN – which they were about to start shooting
and suggested that I could work on the book version in tandem with the film version
so that the book could be released just after the film’s premiere. And that is
what basically happened. The book was the best way for anyone to get a solid
look at the creature, it was a commercial success and it was a technical
phenomenon in publishing – over 1000 full color anamorphic frame blow-ups in a
book that only cost about eight dollars. Avon Books was the publisher (they
also did the Film Classics Library)
and they had a heart attack when they heard that this would be full color.
It would put it in the realm of a very expensive art book to manufacture. But I
had been talking with some of their production specialists who had found that there was a process of color
separation that could be done by page, rather than by photograph. Instead
of over a thousand or more color separations, the book could be printed using
only 164 color separations. Essentially the number of pages in the book.
The designer – again Harry Chester Group – had to work with me to lay out the
pages so that the story could be told but in such a way that facilitated the
color separation process – not only was the book very successful, but it won
printing awards within the industry. And it opened the door to more full
color books (Two other full size books were produced by Anobile: Robert Altman's POPEYE and Peter Hyams' OUTLAND).
-BD: it safe to assume that home video also contributed to kill your book
series? They seem to have disappeared at roughly the same time VHS and Betamax
became popular.
- -BD: In 1978,
Bantam books published a series of STAR TREK “Fotonovels” adapting episodes in
pocket book form, (Often attributed to you on the web, although I see no
evidence of it in the books credits) seemingly stealing your act. Did this
prompt the format change to the smaller paperbacks, like it did for your MORK
AND MINDY Video Novel and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA Photostory, and what did this
mean creatively for you?
Competition came strongly from the FOTONOVEL series, which stole Anobile's thunder with a focus on more popular fare. A 1978 article by THE WASHINGTON POST implies that they outsold Anobile's FILM CLASSICS LIBRARY. "When you're doing Buster Keaton in 'The General,' you can't expect to sell a lot," says Robert Wyatt, editorial director at Avon. "We talk about doing something like the Fotonovels every few weeks now. But you have to realize you have to start with a lot of copies when you print that much color. If you print 500,000 you could eat 300,000 books if it doesn't go." |
- RJA: I did produce two STAR TREK photo novels – THE MOTION PICTURE and THE WRATH OF KHAN. (But not the ones based on the TV series). But, yes, formatting
for paperback meant some compromises, different choices of how to focus on a
frame due to size. But also this was not being done for any type of study. Just
for fans, for marketing, for fun. I
never did another STAR TREK book because I delivered a full color book for THE
WRATH OF KHAN, but the publishers decided to print in black and white – and I
was given shit for it by fans though it was not my decision. And that was that. As to the others -for fans, for fun – really
these were marketing tools (did I sell out a bit? Well, earning a living is important.
Especially, as by then – if I have my dates straight- I had moved to LA and was
hoping to find my way into film production.)
Even the full-sized OUTLAND and POPEYE were coffee table marketing
books. Essentially they paid the rent – and I was basically done – my head was
elsewhere and my focus was on different things.
Yes, VCR’s
essentially meant there was no need for the type of book I had been creating. Really,
why would you need a book of frame- blow-ups when you can have every frame of
the film (with sound!) and play it over and over, stop, start, freeze frame,
etc.? Had VCR existed when I was in school I would never have thought
about frame blow-up books – they were meant to be a study tool. It just so
happens they were popular for a time with a more general public of book buyers,
for whom I have a lot of gratitude. Those fan-buyers gave me my first
career. And, let’s face it; how much longer could I be doing the same
thing over and over. So for practical purposes: yes, VCR was, to my mind,
a death knell – but also a welcome one – it got me off my ass towards trying to
realize another goal.
-BD: This is when you started working in film production?
-RJA: By that point, the writing was on the wall. And frankly I was getting bored. I wanted to finally do what I had studied film to do – work in production. So I quit publishing and practically went broke trying to get my first job in film. I foolishly turned down some offers to work in PR both at Paramount and Columbia as I was focused on production – a big mistake and when I am asked today, I tell film students to grab any job they can get. Get that foot in the door, then navigate from within the industry. I also suggest that they study entertainment law, then get into film, no matter how creative they want to be – it is vital to understand the complexities of the medium.
-BD: This is when you started working in film production?
-RJA: By that point, the writing was on the wall. And frankly I was getting bored. I wanted to finally do what I had studied film to do – work in production. So I quit publishing and practically went broke trying to get my first job in film. I foolishly turned down some offers to work in PR both at Paramount and Columbia as I was focused on production – a big mistake and when I am asked today, I tell film students to grab any job they can get. Get that foot in the door, then navigate from within the industry. I also suggest that they study entertainment law, then get into film, no matter how creative they want to be – it is vital to understand the complexities of the medium.
I never did
reach where I had hoped to be but I certainly can’t complain about my
‘‘career’’ in film – or rather TV (only time I brushed against features was as a
Production exec at Paramount for just under two years – after that it was all
TV.) Coming to Toronto initially as a Production Exec for series shooting
here (on a show called Cat Walk) was also fortuitous. When I had the chance to go back to LA –
even stay in production – I realized I never did like LA or most people I had
met in the business, but I did enjoy the film community here in Toronto. Though
I had to find a different way of working and eventually evolved into Post Production,
which I thoroughly enjoy. I love managing projects, working with teams and
seeing all the pieces successfully married. It is a wonderfully creative
process.
And, look at
that – I got to spend four seasons on a show with Guillermo Del Toro. What a fabulously
creative mind and a truly terrific person. I am not known for doing
features so he used someone else for that, hence I missed out on THE SHAPE OF WATER. But as we did the VFX for
Strain also at Mr. X, I got to sit in on a bunch of
Shape sessions as well. No one realizes that those eye are all done here at Mr.
X, as well as the water pouring out of that room – all digital – some
incredibly wonderful work. Same thing with THE STRAIN. And Guillermo’s eye is impeccable; he will notice
something even in the corner of a frame and want it addressed, even when I
would say: ‘’But Guillermo, it is out of picture safe!’’ But HE would know, and
that’s what really mattered.
And I have
gotten to live in a great city that has become better and better as the years
have gone on – and in quite a terrific country as well – one that is Trump-free
– and let’s hope it stays that way. And I am married to a wonderful
Canadian woman – so no complaints.
Richard J. Anobile in 2016 at the Sherwood Inn in Muskoka, Ontario. |
There is an
obvious love for the art of cinema, and a willingness to share its style in
full integrity, including lap dissolves and fades, and emulating camera
movement by careful choice of successive frames, in every one of Anobile’s
books, especially in the case of the FILM CLASSICS LIBRARY. While they may now be
considered obsolete, they have long been indispensable for film scholars and
students. Something like the 20 pages spent on dissecting shot by shot the
murder scene in PSYCHO is worth volumes of analysis for an editor like I am.
And there is still an undeniable pleasure to peruse through those books, taking
the time to savor multitudes of moments frozen in time, like Boris Karloff icy
stare after his big reveal as the creature in FRANKENSTEIN, or the longing
glances between Bergman and Bogart at the end of CASABLANCA.
Richard J.
Anobile never had any illusions about the sustainability of his books. In his
preface to A FLASK OF FIELDS, in 1972, he could already see the writings on the
wall; ‘’I don’t expect these books ever to take the place of films. But until
such time as the films become more easily available for home viewing, we will
have to settle for sporadic film festivals and a book such as this. This book
is merely designed for you to have fun while reflecting upon the artistry of a
truly great comedic mind.’’
In the
meantime, reading one of the FILM CLASSICS LIBRARY still provides us with a
glimpse into the mind an exemplary film lover who toiled for years to bring the
silver screen to every home in its own way.
In the second part of this series, we will focus on comic book adaptations of movies, and discuss with Stephen Bissette on his work on Spielberg's 1941. See you then.
In the second part of this series, we will focus on comic book adaptations of movies, and discuss with Stephen Bissette on his work on Spielberg's 1941. See you then.
Man! There was so much research in this post! I'm impress! You really have a knack for getting into your subject. This is pretty good skeleton for a university-level thesis on a forgotten aspect of pop culture. I remember parts of it. I had some Star Trek photonovels and maybe a couple of those UFO magazines in my teenage years. And I've seen the Anobile books. I have to hunt down one of thoese Star-Cité magazine about RIO BRAVO and that STAGECOACH volume by Anobile.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Kid! I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I can catch some of those in the wild. ;)
DeleteThank you for this interview. I was a kid in the 70's and used Anobile's books to supplement my love affair with movies whenever there was nothing available on the local television airings. I've also always wondered about the inside story between Anobile and Groucho, and how that whole dispute evolved. Now I have the inside scoop from Richard himself. I would love to see Richard do a book about his experiences with Groucho from A to Z, something like Steve Stoliar's narrative of his years inside Groucho's house.
ReplyDeleteI am most curious about the tapes that Richard made of his interviews with Groucho. Does Richard have sole rights to those tapes? If so, did he ever consider publishing them—either in audiobook form or on YouTube? I think that would be a fascinating listen.